43 Responses

  1. September 14, 2009 at 2:30 pm | | Reply

    I voted yes. Now, I will tell you why.

    I like Josh. He has commented on my site a couple times and keeps me coming back here. But after reading this, I see where this all came down as I play A LOT of fantasy sports and even have my own 4 Sport Boston.com fantasy league this year.

    With that being said, changing the rules mid-season without a league vote is bad enough but to change the rules MID-TRADE is proposterous (sp? I dont care).

    In my league, it is Commish decision and should be if it being run by someone who knows what they are doing but that decision has to be made before the season or at least not while a trade is up in the air. 98% of trades should go through as a commissioner vote and assuming this is as straight forward as you make it sound. This would be in the 2% anyway.

    Also, your note to the league IS justified. A lot of owners dont look at their team outside of the Sunday/Monday time frame and with a 2 day veto time, no one would have seen that to veto it.

    So, yes, there was cheating involved.

  2. September 14, 2009 at 6:00 pm | | Reply

    Thank you both for your opinions. I wish some people had the opinion that it wasn’t cheating, albeit a d-bag move, I don’t think it was cheating.

  3. September 14, 2009 at 6:12 pm | | Reply

    Oh my….do I have to send you boys to your rooms with no dinner?

  4. September 14, 2009 at 9:02 pm | | Reply

    Just in case you didn’t notice, I have the most points so far this week.

    1. September 14, 2009 at 10:02 pm | | Reply

      Well, IMO, that Pats fumble recovery by the Special Teams should count for at least15 points.

  5. September 14, 2009 at 11:02 pm | | Reply

    Here’s my 2 cents and this has already been beaten to death by Adam. The MAJOR problem with what went down was the way that the rule change went about. I think Josh knew that that lopsided trade would get vetoed every time so did what he thought he was allowed to do as commish. However, we as managers and GMs of our own team should have some sort of say in any type of rule change, especially when said rule is changed right after the commissioner’s trade was vetoed by the other owners.

    I propose the trade be null and void and all players sent back to their original teams.

    1. September 15, 2009 at 9:01 pm | | Reply

      I don’t think that’s necessary. Plus the kid probably wouldn’t even want to make the trade back. I know I don’t want to.

      BTW
      Week 1
      Willis McGahee – 19.50
      MJD – 18.30

  6. Eddie
    September 15, 2009 at 10:54 pm | | Reply

    Drew Brees – 37.32
    Adrian Peterson – 37.80

    Those are my relevant statistics. You’re going down Josh!!!!

    P.S. – Removing the veto mid-trade is totally not cool Josh.

    1. September 16, 2009 at 12:34 pm | | Reply

      I never claimed to be cool.

  7. September 20, 2009 at 9:17 pm | | Reply

    Hey SportsFan4,
    This trade has been proposed to you in SportsFan4 (580827).

    Ninja Narwhals
    Laveranues Coles
    Cedric Benson

    4th and Long
    Maurice Jones-Drew

    You can accept, reject or counter this offer by going to your team page (if you do not see detail about this trade on the page, then it has been cancelled by the manager who originally proposed it).

    Thanks Adam, I knew you’d come through on that once I put MJD up on the block.

    1. September 20, 2009 at 9:48 pm | | Reply

      I’d be dumb not to try.

  8. September 30, 2009 at 3:52 pm | | Reply

    MJD scored the most fantasy points in week 3 with 32.70

  9. October 22, 2009 at 3:59 pm | | Reply

    I’m suffering in a Yahoo league due to a cheating commissioner as well. I’m currently in a league where the commissioner was caught cheating (his E-Mail is psmart1729@yahoo.com). Once caught cheating he disabled all members from any form of chat or E-Mail. Recently he disabled everyones ability to change their line up or add remove players except for himself obviously.

    I have send numerous E-Mails over the past 3 weeks to Yahoo concerning this matter; however they have not contacted me or addressed the situation. I will not utilize Yahoo Fantasy Sports in the future or endorse their services due to them not getting involved and resolving this situation. Everyone in my league (except the commissioner) is extremely frustrated over this situation and it appears that Yahoo would rather have one person happy rather than numerous happy customers.

  10. Joe Schmo
    November 9, 2009 at 1:21 pm | | Reply

    Dont know how i stumbled on this, but this guy Josh is a complete cheater, and (expletive). This was the stupidest thing I have ever read, you can look at the first few lines and tell that this idiot is a f’n liar. Go f yourself jackass

    1. November 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm | | Reply

      I absolutely believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I also understand what I did could be considered a dirty move by turning off the veto.

      However, I did not re-instate the veto afterward to prevent others from making trades either, resulting in two players (step-brothers) trading AP and Drew Brees to one team to make a “super-team”.

      I’m glad you feel strongly about this, but please attempt to refrain from using profanity on this site. I edited your comment for content to fit the type of site we run here. Do not be discouraged from speaking your mind, just please attempt to monitor the language. Thank you.

      1. November 9, 2009 at 5:24 pm | | Reply

        Correction: a “super-awesome-undefeatable-greatest-of-all-time-team”.

  11. John
    November 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm | | Reply

    Had a similar trade happen recently, involving the commisioner, and unfortunately most of the league approved it “just because”. When I asked one league member who voted yes, how he thought the trade was fair, he replied “I didn’t, but I don’t care, besides I never think any of the trades are really fair”. Maybe I’m overreacting so I’ll ask your opinion, fair or not?

    Shonn Greene (NYJ) for LeGarette Blount(TB) & Michael Bush(OAK)

    Trade just doesn’t seem fair to me a schlub, who is getting increasingly reduced carries (and is behind LT) for a stud rookie (who is all but the number 1 back for a top team) and an established runner who may not be the number 1 but is a close number 2 to a RB who has been banged up, and still getting a ton of carries.

    Will be interested to see your take on this

    Thanks

    1. November 7, 2010 at 2:10 pm | | Reply

      You can also take a look at the league standings and if the guy getting bush and blount is higher up than the guy getting greene, then that’s a dump and it’s obvious cheating.

      As opposed to the trade I made last season which wasn’t a dump it was also before week 2 of the season and everyone tried to veto it to protect themselves from losing to me, big difference. I’ll still fight that tooth and nail Adam.

      John, I’m sure the guys in your league making that trade are trying to build one dominant team by dumping players to the stronger team. Look for them to try to make more trades this week after the games.

  12. Don
    December 8, 2010 at 4:19 am | | Reply

    So i just stumbled onto this page because of a recent indiscretion with my comissioner which wasnt cheating, but was close to it. However from reading all of this heres what i see.

    Josh you changed the rules without asking your league to vote on it and you immediately were benefited from the rule change. You also stated that you didnt think a league vote was necesarry. Well who the [expletive] cares what you think? You dont get to decide that, thats why theres a league vote. What you did was see a way to abuse your power and get what you want with complete disregard for the rules and of your fellow managers.

    Here are a few of the definitons of cheating from the dictionary. “to violate rules or regulations” “to elude; deprive of something expected”
    I would say you deprived them of a vote that they expected
    and that you violated rules and regulations for your own advantage.

    So enough said you cheated, and the fact that with all of this evidence being stacked up in front of you you wont admit you cheated just speaks to the kind of person you are. I’m glad i’ll never have to meet such a sorry excuse for a human being.

    1. December 9, 2010 at 2:14 pm | | Reply

      Thanks for the warm words Don. I don’t know how you can judge someone as a “poor excuse for a human being” based on fantasy football, but I wish you the best in your future endeavors in the world of fantasy sports.

      And as I have stated multiple times. It was wrong what I did. I have taken responsibility for my actions and admitted that it was a scumbag move. Please make sure you complete you research before attacking someone integrity in the future. But again, take a look from my perspective where myself and another manager wanted to make a trade that we were both interested in yet the league revoked it to keep themselves safe from defeat.

      Also, what Adam did not tell people in this article is that after that trade was made, he then continued to trade his entire team to his step-brother and another manager to create one super-team that still did not finish in the top three in the league, how’s that for integrity?

      And also, I’m sorry that I had to modify your comment with the expletive, but I do not like to have profanity to that extent on the site.

      Thanks for the thoughts though.

  13. Rob
    September 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm | | Reply

    I know this thread is old but i was searching for the real intent behind trade veto and stumbled upon this. First i think Josh was wrong for turning off veto power to approve his own trade. But my arguement is that maybe it shouldnt have been there to begin with. Im in a league with 9 other people i know personally. In my situation i see NO REASON WHATSOEVER why two grown a** men cant agree on a trade that they feel would make their respective teams better without input from other teams! What is that! Every draft we see players that fall below their projected draft status because the team or teams who coulda got em decided even if just on a hunch, that someone down the line was better suited for THEIR TEAM. We see breakout players every year and unexpected monster performances weekly! But i gotta keep who YOU want me to have? We cant say “No! you cant draft Mcfadden over Peterson bcuz thats unfair to you.” That would be ridiculous so why should i have the power to say who you, a totally competent GM capable of making his own decisions should be able to trade for? The protest trade feature (in my situation) should be called the HATER BUTTON bcuz it clearly has nothing to do with the teams involved (who clearly agreed) and EVERYTHING to do with other teams fearful of what the trade could mean for them. In the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, and any other league, salary cap is the ONLY thing that can stop two teams from executing a trade for whoever they want and the other team feels is worth trading for. The other teams in the league just have to deal with it and possibly consider some moves of their own to adjust. I mean whats the fun in being a GM if you cant exercise your savvy and individual theorys and strategies? Terrible.

  14. Seth
    September 17, 2011 at 1:27 am | | Reply

    I agree with Rob, as I also came here as I’ve been reading about vetoes. While changing the league settings mid season isn’t a good move I don’t think the trade posed in this thread is worth a veto.

    No one can see into the future and will only rate trades based off of ADP and name not team needs screwing over the owners looking to potentially better their team. Unless there is obvious collusion trades shouldn’t be vetoed.

    What’s the point of trying to buy low and sell high if other owners will just veto a trade because they personally wouldn’t make the trade and they feel one team isn’t getting the better end of the deal. I’ll use Arian Foster from last year where his ADP had him somewhere in the 20’s for running backs taken and MJD who was probably a consensus top 5 pick. If you were to try and trade MJD for Foster at the beginning of the season as you liked his potential it probably would have got shot down by other owners due to his ADP and name alone potentially costing the potential Foster owner his season. You can even switch MJD for CJ2k, both of those guys had good seasons and drafted high definitely not as great as Foster.

  15. Jesus of Nazareth
    October 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm | | Reply

    Josh is huge douche, I can only hope that there was very little $$$$ involved in this league.

    P.S. Josh you are not forgiven.

  16. jack
    October 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm | | Reply

    why join a league for money if you know someone is bound to cheat anyways so thats my argument

  17. jack
    October 24, 2011 at 11:54 pm | | Reply

    Josh good trade but if your team was so good then why did you need MJD

  18. Dsc84
    December 18, 2011 at 2:46 am | | Reply

    would you call the league manager changing the playoff matchups 3 days before your matchup without notice cheating, especially if you already had your roster set for your matchup. And changes resulted in the league manager having a more favorable matchup.

  19. Fellow Commish
    September 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm | | Reply

    Just stumbled upon this article. The move is total BS, and your league was worse for it. As a commissioner, I’d have resigned.

    Essentially…you created a super unbalanced team, and your justification is….other people created a super team in response. Well, congrats on your completely unbalanced league! Just play with 4 teams then…

    As a result, I’d be surprised if you guys even have a league anymore. Who would want to suffer through that?

    And by the way “It was wrong what I did. I have taken responsibility for my actions and admitted that it was a scumbag move. Please make sure you complete you research before attacking someone integrity in the future.”

    How is that not one of the silliest things I’ve ever read? By admitting you were wrong and scumbag opens the door for people to attack you, since you’re are ADMITTING your total lack of integrity. What else WOULD someone have to judge you by?

    You’re Josh: the commish who changed rules for his own benefit, even after the league voted the trade was unfair. Hope you’re not still out there giving the rest of us a bad name.

  20. yourdad
    September 21, 2012 at 4:32 pm | | Reply

    Josh id beat ur ass for pulling scandalous shit

  21. team12
    August 28, 2014 at 7:17 am | | Reply

    ok so my commisioner changed the scoring immediatly after the draft that has to be cheating right? I plan for one thing then you change the rules that’s cheating

    1. king of the turf
      August 31, 2014 at 1:02 am | | Reply

      that’s definitely cheating.

  22. Bob
    September 3, 2014 at 2:02 pm | | Reply

    You made a change to the rules when it was inconvenient for you to leave it the way it was.

    That, Josh, is cheating.

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